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Post by wayne on Feb 22, 2012 0:48:58 GMT -5
Anyone out there with a good understanding of rotary compression ?
I have a bike with compression readings of 116, 108 and 104 across the three lobes.
I can tell that it's a little down on power compared to the other bikes I ride and it vibrates a touch more than average possibly because of the uneven compressions (I'm not talking about the universal grinding vibration, it's comparatively smooth in that part of the rev range).
But it runs fine, starting easily, doesn't blow smoke and, surprisingly, will actually hit 100 mph indicated with probably another 5 mph left in it (yes, I know they are wildly optimistic).
When I first started it I did a compression test and noticed the uneven readings. I thought perhaps it would settle. After 150 miles, the overall compression rose 2 psi per lobe but remains almost identical in it's uneven spread.
Having only a cursory understanding of the way the rotors work and seal, I suspected that it might improve with time. However as for the unevenness, I thought that if that was going to improve, it would do so fairly quickly.
Is this likely to improve as the engine settles ? It probably hasn't been started in 20 to 30 years but is a very low mile bike which has been kept indoors all its life.
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Post by bdalameda on Feb 22, 2012 2:17:49 GMT -5
I think a 12psi spread is very reasonable considering the 20-30 year non operation. The overall compression will probably improve with running time. I would be more concerned about an extremely uneven compression than the total amount of compression. In my opinion this is not that uneven and if the engine is not smoking or burning oil I would not worry too much about it.
Dan
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Post by mike500 on Feb 22, 2012 11:13:54 GMT -5
as a rule with compression they should ideally be within 10% of each other but useually upto 15% is ok regards mike p.s you readings are within 10%
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Post by wayne on Feb 22, 2012 16:47:07 GMT -5
That's great information gentlemen. It's only now as my access to RE5's spreads that I'm exposed to all the different nuances so still very much learning.
I'm very surprised that up to 15% is okay (but pleased as well). The compression test I did years ago on my rider showed it a little bit down but the the trace was almost completely level between the three lobes. So this trace was something different.
Out of curiousity, I'll do it again after 1000 miles and report back.
Thanks.
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Post by goandy on Mar 17, 2012 0:28:39 GMT -5
Now I'm not suggesting for a minute that anyone try this...but... when I was a mechanic rebuilding mazda rotaries, one of the factory methods for improving compression and bedding seals in was to dust bon-ami powder through the engine whilst running. This is an abrasive Jif style product that creates an abrasive paste I guess inside the housing and quickly beds things in. Again, I'm not suggesting that you rush out and do this, but if you have a low compression motor and you're going to replace it anyway, you never know....
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Post by HGH 770N on Mar 17, 2012 11:11:28 GMT -5
i have just taken these reading from my bike, Using the ReCT-03b I will take another reading after a run when it stops raining. Not sure what it should look like , I will have to alter the setting somehow so i can read high and low. Can anyone help with settings? The addapter I had made works great and there is no need to remove air box. Regards Rog Attachments:
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Post by HGH 770N on Mar 17, 2012 11:17:06 GMT -5
Commpresion graph Attachments:
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Post by wayne on Mar 18, 2012 5:39:55 GMT -5
So what psi values are we looking at on the graph?
Andynogo.....thanks, I've passed that on to an aquaintance who has a dud engine that he's going to pull anyway.
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Post by mike500 on Mar 19, 2012 12:51:19 GMT -5
when using the ReCT-03b the channel should be set to 1 not 8 that way you can read the trace a lot better,each peak is 1 face of the rotor so peak 1 peak 4 peak 7 etc is the same face it would help if we could see the pic showing the psi values on the left regards mike
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Post by HGH 770N on Mar 20, 2012 14:14:33 GMT -5
Thanks for info. looks Ok to me @ 116 psi on my bike before a hot run. I will test again when hot and post results. Rog Attachments:
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Post by mike500 on Mar 20, 2012 14:56:41 GMT -5
where u have the bar at 116 psi you need to lift the bar to the peak of each rotor face,that will give you the true psi of each face of the rotor looking at your graph the 3 faces are within 5psi of each other
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