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Freedom
Apr 11, 2020 2:20:32 GMT -5
Post by toddyboy on Apr 11, 2020 2:20:32 GMT -5
I like a bit of light hearted banter like the next man and this IS a bike forum, and I can't ride my bike because of what's going on today, so this IS a bike related topic. This isn't a political rant, it's a debate about something much more important; it's about FREEDOM. I'm a rider. I don't restore bikes and put them in a "collection" or a museum, I ride 'em. None of us can ride our bikes these days unless it's for "essential reasons." That's BIKE RELATED. It's not political. I simply cannot ride my RE5 or any other bike I own for that matter without being monitored or made to feel that I'm "letting the side down." It's basically brainwashing. I'm not a religious person either. The closest I get to a religious experience is blasting down a road on my bike, testing the twisties and roaring along the straights with my mates trying to keep up. Bikers have an innate sense of freedom in them. It's what draws us to biking. That freedom hasn't just been slowly eroded away, it's actually now been TAKEN away. And I wondered what other people on this forum thought about that? I can't go down the pub and discuss it over a few beers. I've got to "self isolate" and the only person I can physically interact with and talk to about it is my missus. She's not a biker - so go figure! I'm controlled and corralled like a sheep in a pen. It doesn't sit right with me, especially with what I've learned from my research (which I'll gladly share with you if you're interested). So come on, chirp up and have your say, or are we all just gonna sit there and polish our bikes for the umpteenth time and pine for the day the shepherd lets us out of our cage?
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Freedom
Apr 11, 2020 5:51:54 GMT -5
Post by wayne on Apr 11, 2020 5:51:54 GMT -5
Personally, I'm happy to do my bit and stay home. You may go on a ride, not interact with anybody, not use facilities, do the right thing. But that's you. And if you claim it's freedom, then there's a whole lot of other people who probably feel like what they like doing on a weekend is equally about freedom. And the whole lot falls into a pile.
I'm taking one for the team. We don't know where this is going and if isolation starts to bring this thing under control (as figures here in Australia seem to show), then it's worth it. Stay home for a few weeks, have my freedoms infringed for a month or two or potentially end-of-civilization as we know it....... hmmmmm...........
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Freedom
Apr 11, 2020 7:20:16 GMT -5
Post by toddyboy on Apr 11, 2020 7:20:16 GMT -5
Cheers Wayne, Good to hear from you. Anyone else got anything to say?
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Freedom
Apr 13, 2020 13:02:48 GMT -5
Post by mick695 on Apr 13, 2020 13:02:48 GMT -5
I think Wayne sums it up pretty good... funny how people are happy not to ride their bikes during the Winter because its too cold, or too wet or they don't want to get them dirty and are happy to lock them away for 3 months or more in the UK... but when they are asked/told not to ride, its suddenly a matter of Freedom, Human rights or mental health...
Personally I ride all year round and take every opportunity to get out and ride, this is now a chance to carry out much needed maintenance and polishing... its not a problem...
Cheers
Mick
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Freedom
Apr 13, 2020 16:01:30 GMT -5
Post by tom93gts on Apr 13, 2020 16:01:30 GMT -5
I think there was a massive over-reaction over this fueled by media scare tactics in the hunt for higher ratings, with governments taking the opportunity to see what they can get away with.
There was never any good reason for governments to tell people they can't leave their house unless it's only to go for essential supplies. What good does it do to tell somebody they can't go ride their motorcycle (or a hike, or bicycle ride, or just about anything else where you aren't touching other poeple)? I very much doubt that motorcycling is listed in the top 1 million ways to spread a virus.
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Freedom
Apr 13, 2020 18:08:19 GMT -5
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Post by pmcburney on Apr 13, 2020 18:08:19 GMT -5
Yes, it is odd that as soon as some people are told they must remain at home, they want to be out.
Yet those same people are the least expected on a group ride or are that one mate who has any excuse to not be there any other time.
Somehow, riders who are unable to ride because of injury, loss of licence, work or family commitments, financial issues or weather seem eminently capable of waiting those things out, yet a provably sound, government-mandated impingement on their 'right' to ride is obviously a massive conspiracy to forever strip them of 'freedoms' (whatever they are) and stop them from ever riding again and is tantamount to the end of days...
There is no conspiracy other than the one swirling in your addled mind.
Stay at home.
Go for a ride when it's over.
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Freedom
Apr 13, 2020 19:24:36 GMT -5
Post by pmcburney on Apr 13, 2020 19:24:36 GMT -5
I think there was a massive over-reaction over this fueled by media scare tactics in the hunt for higher ratings, with governments taking the opportunity to see what they can get away with. Well, yeah, it's obvious that governments want nothing more than to shut their economies down, spend enormous sums of money, go into even greater debt and risk plummeting into recession and depression for years to come because they just want to be 'taking the opportunity to see what they can get away with'...There was never any good reason for governments to tell people they can't leave their house unless it's only to go for essential supplies. What good does it do to tell somebody they can't go ride their motorcycle (or a hike, or bicycle ride, or just about anything else where you aren't touching other poeple)? I very much doubt that motorcycling is listed in the top 1 million ways to spread a virus. Oh definitely - preventing hundreds of thousands of deaths was never a good reason.
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Freedom
Apr 13, 2020 22:59:49 GMT -5
Post by tom93gts on Apr 13, 2020 22:59:49 GMT -5
I think there was a massive over-reaction over this fueled by media scare tactics in the hunt for higher ratings, with governments taking the opportunity to see what they can get away with. Well, yeah, it's obvious that governments want nothing more than to shut their economies down, spend enormous sums of money, go into even greater debt and risk plummeting into recession and depression for years to come because they just want to be 'taking the opportunity to see what they can get away with'...If government destroys the economy, it's citizens will be begging that government to take care of them. In the US, look how excited everybody is for their $1200 stimulus check for an example. Government does one thing very well, and that is grow. It will do so every opportunity it gets and this is a great growth opportunity. There was never any good reason for governments to tell people they can't leave their house unless it's only to go for essential supplies. What good does it do to tell somebody they can't go ride their motorcycle (or a hike, or bicycle ride, or just about anything else where you aren't touching other poeple)? I very much doubt that motorcycling is listed in the top 1 million ways to spread a virus. Oh definitely - preventing hundreds of thousands of deaths was never a good reason.So stopping some dude from riding his motorcycle will prevent hundreds of thousands of deaths? Please explain. Do you find it reasonable to arrest this hypothetical guy for riding his motorcycle and putting him in a jail cell that was just emptied of a real criminal who was released to prevent infection?
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Freedom
Apr 13, 2020 23:39:34 GMT -5
Post by wayne on Apr 13, 2020 23:39:34 GMT -5
It's just a matter of one rule for all. You start making exceptions and it can fall apart very quickly. One rule for all, that's how you save lives.
Did you see the video of the guy in a train or bus taking off his surgical mask, licking his fingers and wiping them all over the hand holds? That's not you, that's not me, but that's out there. If I was in power, I wouldn't be doing it much different.
You give government too much credit. They're not that smart. This is simple. There's a highly contagious virus, it'll overload most hospital systems, how do we manage this........ we're living the "how". There's no conspiracy, there's no master plan beyond controlling this outbreak (just like 9/11 wasn't done with CGI and we did have men walk on the moon).
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Freedom
Apr 14, 2020 0:29:32 GMT -5
Post by toddyboy on Apr 14, 2020 0:29:32 GMT -5
I’m a biker. That's why I'm on this forum. I’m also a person who generally speaking doesn’t take anything at face value unless I’ve checked out at least three sources of information on it. I won’t buy anything unless I got three prices for the same thing from different suppliers, and so on.
I’ve looked at this current crisis and I am pretty damn sure we are being played, and by that I mean someone is pulling our leg & telling us porky pies on a major scale. If you think that’s a little too dramatic or too drastic, or just plain nuts and conspiratorial then don’t bother reading any further. I don’t want to overwhelm anyone. Simply click onto something else and go about your daily routine, whatever that consists of these days. Go watch Sky News or mow the grass or something, cos this is not gonna be something you’re going to want to hear.
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Ok, so you’re still reading, so I guess you are at least interested in some or all of what I’ve got to say. But before you kick off and say Toddyboy’s lost ‘is marbles! I want you to know this isn’t my drummed up wet dream. I researched it from many different sources, threw out what looked suss and collated and verified it myself first. And no, I didn’t just ‘surf the net’ and pick bits off that fitted my points of interest either. I personally verified much of this by speaking directly, person to person (shock - horror!) with accredited, professionals to get the actual low down.
Now, just look around you. We are currently locked up in our homes going stir crazy, the vast majority of us are anyway and we are being force fed a daily diet of doom and gloom, dubious scientific data, rising death rates, tighter restrictions purportedly devised to “to save us from ourselves and our loved ones” with no end of it in sight and we’re just taking it like good little humanoids. Actually, a better analogy is ‘mushrooms.’ which get kept in the dark and fed nuts.
The Swedes are one exception to this rule. They don’t have a draconian lockdown in place and funnily enough they have the lowest rate of infections and deaths of any civilised country in the World. Don’t believe me? Look for yourself.
Now isn’t that odd? Doesn’t that make you sit up and wonder? If it doesn’t please don’t bother reading further cos this isn’t going to interest you.
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I have an inquisitive mind and a fair bit of disregard for ‘authority,’ I especially don’t like being told to do things “for my own good or the good of others” unless I can see for myself that it would be a pro survival thing to do. I’ve always been like that and it’s stood me in good stead many times in the past. I guess that’s why I’m a biker. Some of the best and freest times I’ve experienced this lifetime were when I was tearing down roads or over dirt tracks on a bike. Anyone who’s ridden a bike will know what I mean.
I’m also 62 years old. I remember what I refer to as the ‘good ol’ days’ a time I when people were generally fairly fit, not obese, when we weren’t being watched day and night by CCTV, when if you wanted to buy healthy food or an Airfix model you went round to your local shop and got it. You didn’t order it online. It was a time when ‘staying in’ was considered a punishment and if you didn’t feel well you’d be given some Lucozade and an aspirin and sent to bed to sleep it off. There was no social media then. People socialised with each other on a personal level or they never saw anyone.
Nowadays I can’t ride freely without looking over my shoulder. I can barely go out for a walk without being watched by my neighbours. I can’t hug my 3 month old Granddaughter. No one wants to come within 6 feet of me and pretty much everyone I see is nuts scared.
But I’m not scared. You know why? Because there’s nothing to actually be scared of. I’ve done a hell of a lot of research lately, in fact I’ve been researching for over a decade. I’ve written 3 Novels, all of them related to something that actually happened that just never made sense to me. I should’ve been an investigative journalist I guess but what I ended up doing made more money so I stuck at that.
And you know what? this situation we find ourselves in today doesn’t make any sense to me, so I started to look behind the mass media rhetoric and the dire warnings to see if there was anything else to this utter fiasco, and lo and behold I found quite a lot of information that somehow never got to the mainstream media. Or if it did, they either couldn’t read or more ominously took no notice of it.
First off, based on everything I’ve researched I’m almost dead certain that THERE IS NO COVID-19 virus. It doesn’t exist. What you are being told is a virus is actually an “EXOSOME”, a byproduct of a damaged cell. The human body is an amazing organism. It has many, many self protection mechanisms. When a cell gets damaged it’s first action is to protect itself by getting rid of whatever is causing the damage inside it. This is what the human body’s immune system does on a daily basis 24/7. A good analogy of this would be if a rat found it’s way into your kitchen and started chowing down on the dinner you were preparing. You would get that rat outa there in short order! That’s what this is, only some dick has mis-designated the exosome (a naturally occurring waste disposal vessel) as Covid-19 and has scared the entire planet into a lockdown frenzy. In essence, we’re all scared to death of a microscopic bag of trash.
My eldest daughter is an ICU nurse with a decade of on the job experience and several years university study before that. I asked her if she knew about exosomes, she said of course she did and vindicated my research to the letter. I did the same with a surgeon who I have known for many years. The answer was the same. Neither could fully understand why this hasn’t been properly investigated. Then again, they can’t really. They’re part of the system and are reliant on it for their income. Look up “Exosome” yourself. If you can, ask someone you know who is knowledgable in the makeup of the body and the immune system. Don’t take my word for it.
Secondly, “what about all the deaths then? People are dying all over the place apparently!” This is a delicate subject. Ok. First off you need to realise that every year around the world 650,000 people die each year because of respiratory flu like causes. They are called ili’s (influenza like illnesses) But that’s not ALL deaths, not by a long shot, that’s just the ones who succumbed to Flu like symptoms. Again, If you don’t believe me look it up yourself.
The existing “test” which was invented in the mid eighties and is still used today does not test for Covid-19, it tests for “genetic material,” which pretty much everyone has in their bodies 24/7. If a person has a lot of this specific type of Genetic material it shows up as positive on the test, but it’s an ambiguous gauge at best and isn’t specific to Covid-19. Why? Because there IS no Covid-19. What is showing up are Exosomes. Again, if you don’t believe me, look it up.
The fact is, people are dying around the world right now, not at an “exponential rate’ but at circa the same rate as they always have for the past decade or so. The only difference today is an administrative one, in that anyone who tests positive for unwanted genetic material in their body and subsequently dies of respiratory, cardio vascular or pulmonary disease or pretty much anything, immediately gets classified as dying of Covid-19 regardless. Some people, very few, who appear perfectly healthy otherwise also die, but more of that later. The Italian Govt, the worst hit Country have come out and attested to the fact that 99% of fatalities after ‘contracting ‘Covid-19’ were already ill with one or more other debilitating illness.
No autopsies are permitted if someone dies and is designated as having died after contracting Covid-19 so no one ever really knows what they actually died of. They just know that Covid-19 was put down on the death certificate as the cause of death. But even that is spurious because now, only one single person is permitted to sign off the cause of death without a coroners report or an autopsy to verify it. One, not two! That’s unprecedented and very stupid. In essence, the test being used is badly inaccurate and flawed as an actual test and the death count from ‘Covid-19 is almost certainly far lower than what the mass hysteric media are saying it is. Then again, it makes great headlines so why wouldn’t they? Don’t believe me? Again, look for yourself.
Oh, and by the way, Exosomes have exactly the same characteristics as “Covid-19.” How odd?Under an electron microscope, they look identical to what we’re being told is this ‘Covid-19 virus.’ They are also composed of exactly the same material as this mis-designated ‘Covid-19 virus’ we’re all being told is deadly and elusive and oh so prevalent in society. But then again, not everyone has an electron microscope do they so they can’t easily look for themselves.
This is a joke. It’s like a punch and Judy show - “Oh yes it is - Oh no it isn’t!” Only it isn’t even really like that, it’s more like “Oh yes it is! - Oh yes of course it is, because you said it is and I’m not going to dispute what you say because what the f**k do I know!” And into the sheep pen we go. It’s like the blind leading the blind. The worrying thing is, are those leading us really blind or do they actually know what they’re doing. Only the facts will tell us that. The REAL facts.
No, I don’t believe ‘Covid-19’ is what you’re being told it is by the mainstream media. It’s actually an exosome, a naturally occurring by product of a damaged cell. When it’s being formed inside the cell it’s called an Endosome. When it’s ejected it’s called an Exosome. It’s a damaged portion of DNA that’s toxic and is being thrown out by the body to be disposed of. It’s not even alive per-se. It’s damaged organic material destined for the dustbin. It is made inside the body and excreted. It doesn’t come from an external source or find its way into the body through the eyes, mouth or nose.
Someone has seriously got their facts arse about face here. Again, if you don’t believe what I’m saying type in to your browser “Dr Kaufman, Exosomes” and make your own mind up by getting this info from a professional, qualified source. There are actually quite a few sources of data on this subject but this one is the clearest I’ve seen and quite understandable from a laymans viewpoint.
Now, you then have to ask yourself, if all or even half of what I’m saying here is actually true why aren’t we being told this, or at least why hasn’t the subject of exosomes being thoroughly investigated by the experts we put all our trust in? Well, that’s a very good question. I’ll let you make your own minds up on that one.
If I’m wrong about this I’ll gladly eat crow, but if I’m right then watch out, because someone’s going to come along pretty soon and offer you a miracle cure jab (a.k.a. vaccine) ‘because it’ll help you and your loved ones get better.’ They’ll have to tie me up and hold me down before I agree to that.
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