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Post by allen on Feb 15, 2018 1:21:47 GMT -5
Hi I am back working on my RE5 after a two year break, I have had it running fine but Now as I turn on the ignition there is now alarm sound and nothing happens when I press the starter button, any ideas and where do I start looking for the problem.
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Post by kanonkopdrinker on Feb 15, 2018 8:54:34 GMT -5
Alarm? What alarm? Do you mean the whine fro the CDI box?
David
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Post by wayne on Feb 15, 2018 16:27:36 GMT -5
This might be a really stupid suggestion but, just in case. Remember that there's two "clicks" to the right on the ignition switch to be in the "start" position.
One click gets all the lights in a "test" position but I don't think the starter will work, second click for start.
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Post by allen on Feb 15, 2018 19:10:08 GMT -5
Yes thanks kanonkopdrinker I have not got the whine from the CDI box, nothing when I press the starter button. If the CDI is dead will the starter still operate when the starter button is pressed ? or do I have an electrical gremlin ? Thanks Wayne yes I have tried the ignition key in all positions, and nothing when I press the starter button and no whine from the CDI. It was all fine it was running turned it off, turned it back on for a restart and nothing!!!!
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Post by timpa136 on Feb 15, 2018 21:23:04 GMT -5
Another thing to check is the fuse and fuse holder carefully. Before you go tearing things apart, flick the kill switch back and forth
several times with the key off then back on, maybe junk in the contacts?
Tim
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Post by Jess on Feb 15, 2018 21:34:53 GMT -5
CDI has no connection to the starter.
If your starter isn’t spinning... it aint getting power. Starter solenoid, kill switch, starter itself...
I would turn the key on and use a separate battery or jump box wired directly to the starter.
Just my 2 cents
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Post by allen on Feb 15, 2018 22:31:40 GMT -5
Ok thanks timpa136 I obviously have a electrical gremlin, thanks Jess I thought it strange that the starter would not spin when the start button was pressed. I also have no whine from the CDI so I will get the multi meter out and work my way from the ignition switch.
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Post by kanonkopdrinker on Feb 16, 2018 7:05:14 GMT -5
Many years ago I too lost the CDI whine. Can’t remember now whether the bike would turn over on the starter or not.
Turned out a diode had failed in the box, which an electrical boffin was able to detect and replace.
You haven’t got a friend with a working RE5 who’d let you try their box, have you?
David
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Post by allen on Feb 16, 2018 17:20:28 GMT -5
At this stage I have not carried out any testing due to work commitments. I'm guessing on an electrical gremlin as it does not have any whine from the CDI and nothing when the starter is pressed, so I need to get to work with the multi meter and see where I've got power. It's just strange that it was running, I turned it off, turned it back on and nothing, I think I will start with the ignition switch and kill switch. Are there any other fuses anywhere.
Regards Allen
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Post by wayne on Feb 16, 2018 18:17:13 GMT -5
If the CDI has failed, the starter will indeed turn it over ad infinitum. To quote someone else on the board.............."ask me how I know". Or maybe don't.
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Post by jm0406 on Feb 16, 2018 19:48:00 GMT -5
So what is the whine? Start by checking battery voltage. Jeff
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Post by allen on Feb 16, 2018 23:07:38 GMT -5
The whine is normally from the CDI box when the ignition is turned on, I will check the battery voltage, but it's a new battery and should be fine as the bike was starting fine, turned it off and turned it again and nothing!
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Post by Jess on Feb 17, 2018 6:21:50 GMT -5
Hi I am back working on my RE5 after a two year break, I have had it running fine but Now as I turn on the ignition there is now alarm sound and nothing happens when I press the starter button, any ideas and where do I start looking for the problem. Did you mean to say... There is no alarm sound? If so, you have changed the entire meaning of your first post. All of the following are true: 1. The CDI and Starter are not electrically connected. 2. The CDI typically makes a high pitched whine when working properly. 3. The CDI may function fine, and make no sound at all. 4. If the CDI does not make a whine, It may not work. Regards,
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Post by allen on Feb 17, 2018 17:15:50 GMT -5
Thanks jess. Ok let's go back to the start. After nearly a two year break working on the bike, I put a new battery in the bike, some fresh fuel and the bike started straight up. I started and stopped the engine several times over a short time in the garage. Each time I turned it on to start the engine it emitted a sound, a buzz a whine, now not knowing what it was I described it as an alarm sound. After creating this post I am lead to believe that the sound I heard was the wine from the CDI box (which I described as an alarm sound) each time I turned the Ignition on. Now when I turn the ignition on I do not hear anything and the starter motor does not respond to the pressing of the start button. The dash lights come on but no whine from the CDI and nothing when the start button is pressed. Unless someone can indicate an easy fix, or shed some light on where to start looking, it will be out with the test light and multimeter after work on monday. I will start at the ignition switch and test it's working ok, test continuity of circuits and wiring harness plugs looking for any electrical gremlins.
Questions.
1 What is the function of the float switch in the oil bottle under the seat? I have tested it and it appears ok with a open circuit/ short circuit as I move the float on the switch.
2 Is there an alarm related to the oil bottle that could be confused with the whine from the CDI box?
3 In the absence of a wiring diagram, Can anybody indicate which wire at the ignition switch plug makes the circuits to the start button and to the CDI circuit live when the ignition switch is turned on?
I have not been able to download a wiring diagram, can anyone Email me one? Regards Allen
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Post by ap951 on Feb 17, 2018 19:14:58 GMT -5
timpa; "Another thing to check is the fuse and fuse holder carefully"
Did you check the in-line fuse/fuse holder located on top of or near the battery? (off the positive lead) Check to see if you have continuity with a volt meter. I've seen failed fuses that visually looked ok
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